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Registered: 1/16/04
Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 2, 2004 10:55 PM (reply 210 of 635)



 
Just thought that I would take this opportunity to
thump you all with the Bible. I don't think this
thread has had enough of that yet. :-)

Can I get a "Hallelujah!" brothahs and sistahs!

" Hallelujah! " sayeth the I who am not me...

But, now I will have to smite thee with fire and brimstone for such heresy !
For my nonexistent "God" declares it, and I must submit to the Almighty's will... :-P

- MaxxDmg...

- ' the Wicked... "

 

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Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 2, 2004 11:07 PM (reply 211 of 635)



 
On that note, is that the "Creators" plan of redemption, to bring about the apocolypse and wipe
us out... I guess the " Creators" original plan was flawed... Time to start over ???

What, you never heard of a beta version? Maybe at this very moment god's looking at his monitor, >thinking, "something doesn't smell right here," fingers poised over ctl-z.

Yes I have, but we are the beta 2 version,

beta 1 was the " Angels" and they revolted and became demons and devils... being that they were immortal, the "Creator" has to store them somewhere...

so in the beta 2 version, the "Creator" made us mortal, so that if thing go awry again, he would not have the same storage problem... But due to a major bug in this version, we reproduce to fast and created an environment that sustains our lifespan longer than the "Creators" original intention...
So in essence, the "Creator" is having the same storage problem as the first...

Where was the "Creator" when his creations started to go awry and commit such brutal acts against > > > each other...
Perhaps he was working out his plan of redemption.
Playing skee ball. Duh.

LOL... and later, shopping for a new planet to try beta version 3, may this time it will work right...
Oops, I guess not, I just saw the planet's star go Super Nova... :-P

- MaxxDmg...

- ' I am not me... '
 

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Registered: 7/17/02
Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 2, 2004 11:21 PM (reply 212 of 635)



 
the "Creator" made us mortal, so that if thing go awry again
Although obviously as an infinitely wise and powerful being, he/she/it would create something that would not "go awry". And that line of reasoning leads me to the conclusion that, as a race, we are pretty much as good as it gets. Oh yeah, even that annoying sound my old VW makes in 2nd gear is sublime. And the fact that I spend my time esting, drinking coffee and watching TV while other people run around starving and shooting at eachother is rather good too.
 

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Registered: 3/30/99
Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 2, 2004 11:27 PM (reply 213 of 635)



 
beta 1 was the " Angels" and they revolted and became
demons and devils... being that they were immortal,
the "Creator" has to store them somewhere...

Sounds like a memory leak.

so in the beta 2 version, the "Creator" made us
mortal,

god.creation.ref.SoftReference

so that if thing go awry again, he would not
have the same storage problem... But due to a major
bug in this version, we reproduce to fast and created
an environment that sustains our lifespan longer than
the "Creators" original intention...

Screwed up the terminating condition in his recursive method.
 

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Registered: 1/16/04
Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 3, 2004 12:20 AM (reply 214 of 635)



 
beta 1 was the " Angels" and they revolted and became demons and devils... being that they were immortal, the "Creator" has to store them somewhere...

Sounds like a memory leak.

LMAO, that's too funny...

so in the beta 2 version, the "Creator" made us mortal,
god.creation.ref.SoftReference

so that if thing go awry again, he would not have the same storage problem... But due to a major
bug in this version, we reproduce too fast and created an environment that sustains our lifespan longer
than the "Creators" original intention...

Screwed up the terminating condition in his recursive method.

And probably posted the problem on the "Creation" forums... :-)

- MaxxDmg...

- ' He who never sleeps... '
 

Posts:37,103
Registered: 3/30/99
Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 3, 2004 12:45 AM (reply 215 of 635)



 
Screwed up the terminating condition in his
recursive method.

And probably posted the problem on the "Creation"
forums... :-)

LOL!

RECRSION HELP!!! URGENT!!!!
plzzzzz help!!! this proj is due in only 5 milniams and i have NO CLUE!!!!!!!

(10^20 lines of unformatted code)

if ne1 cn tell me wuts wrong i wud REALLY apresh8 it!!!!! im tottaly STUCK!!!!!!

To all those participating in the serious discussion going on concurrently: Sorry.

 

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Registered: 1/16/04
Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 3, 2004 1:10 AM (reply 216 of 635)



 
Screwed up the terminating condition in his
recursive method.

And probably posted the problem on the "Creation"
forums... :-)

LOL!

RECRSION HELP!!! URGENT!!!!
plzzzzz help!!! this proj is due in only 5 milniams
and i have NO CLUE!!!!!!!

(10^20 lines of unformatted code)

if ne1 cn tell me wuts wrong i wud REALLY apresh8
it!!!!! im tottaly STUCK!!!!!!


To all those participating in the serious discussion
going on concurrently: Sorry.


LOL ! <gives a standing ovation, then falls over from laughing too much>

- MaxxDmg...

- ' He who never sleeps... '
 

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Registered: 02-11-14
Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 3, 2004 5:32 AM (reply 217 of 635)



 
You had churches on either side of the fence, some
for, some against...

And because some were against, they all are bad???

hospitals, orphanages...

Who else better so "sell" beliefs to,the abandoned,
the sick, the dying... Like carrion feeders,
circling, round and round...
You sell flood insurance, once you have flood
victims... and to new potential flood victims... not
that we know it floods here...

Nice, anything bad they do is a dagger against them. Anything good they do is a political move to curry favor and followers. You are arguing an irrational hatred. And I do believe it is a hatred. Open your eyes and see that sometimes people, and institutions mad by people do good things because they are good.

And where were the organized religions then... Did
they do anything to help stop them...

So does your hate for organisation remain restricted to religion or to all things? Are the non-religious organizations less evil in your book for doing these horrible things than the religious ones for not stopping it (assuming they were not trying to stop it...)

And by the way, we as humans have been have been at
war with each other over difference in religious
beliefs, from the modern "Holy Wars" to the "Crusades"
and so on...

And over many other things. But I am sure that doesn't matter. Most of the'Holy Wars' were really territory wars and wars of genocide labeled with religion as their cause. This is not a problem of religion, but a problem with fanatics and criminals. I doubt any of the major religions involved in war have a central authority that say they should war against each other...

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying the Organized
Religion is inherenly evil, but just remember...
It is run by humans and therefore influenced by
such...

... And humans are evil?? Is that what you are saying?

Where was the "Creator" when his creations started to
go awry and commit such brutal acts against each
other... probably cowering in some corner in fear of
his\her\its creations...

Or watching in anger... or letting humans exert their freedom of choice, etc... you will never know, anything stated in this context is supposition.

But I do dream of a day when there will be "Peace",
unfortunately my life span is to short for any hope of
actually witnessing it, but I can hope...

I doubt you actually hold hope for that. It seems you believe humans are all evil and there is nothing to change that...
 

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Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 3, 2004 5:40 AM (reply 218 of 635)



 
And where were the organized religions then...

Some were resisting. Take Dietrich Bonhoeffer for
example.

But not all, hmm...

But all are wrong because some were not resisting?

It was just a question for though, you could not
possible know... and neither could I for that matter,
only they could know, and most are dead by now...

You could not know, nor could anyone else. The question was supposition, inflamatory, and illogical. It should be stricken from the record as having no bearing on any argument what so ever.

Its possible, but then who to say that we don't use
that influence to bend other to our will...

Again, supposition, illogical, and inflamatory remarks with no bearing to the case. Whose to say that your are not just making an argument to extend the thread ?? :-P

On the note of SETI discussion, if you were an
Extraterrestrial, would you set foot on this planet
having observed all the killing and fighting we do
here ???

Yes, cause my ray gun could kick all yer asses. My ETGod told me so.
 

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Registered: 23/07/02
Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 3, 2004 5:54 AM (reply 219 of 635)



 
What would you say about the correctness of such claims? Neither true nor false? It's paradoxical. If I say, "this doctrine is true" then if it it's neither
true nor false then it's false, because it claims to be true. But you said it's not false either. So if the claim is not false, it must be true because that's
what the doctrine says. etc.

Of course you could always dodge it by saying "it's true for those who believe it and false for those who do not," but that's the sort of thing I hate
about subjectivism. :-)

And the response to such a dodge is "This doctrine is universally true". Such a statement is either universally true or universally false. The thing I really hate about subjectivism is that it's not internally consistent, because it makes the universal claim that there are no universal claims.
 

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Registered: 3/31/04
Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 3, 2004 6:15 AM (reply 220 of 635)



 
What if there's a third state;
universally 0

:-)
 

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Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 3, 2004 6:19 AM (reply 221 of 635)



 
There definitely is something wrong with institutionalised belief, i.e. churches and their management.
There's nothing wrong with religious people; bur sometimes they're puppets on strings conducted
by that management of those churches.

I don't think you've defined "institutionalised belief" or "institutionalised church" anywhere in this thread, and ISTM that it would be useful to know what we're arguing about. You said in a later post that

I'm not talking about any church three blocks down the road which is run by the 'believers' themselves, I'm talking the Vatican, the Greek orthodox
church and fundamentalistic Islam etc.

There's quite a big spectrum between a single congregation and the RCC, so where do you draw the line? Or is it an ecclesiological issue, and you regard as institutionalised any church which doesn't have direct election of the leadership by the members?

You talk elsewhere about institutionalised church coming "from a commercial kind of thinking". What do you mean by that?
 

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Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 3, 2004 6:19 AM (reply 222 of 635)



 
What if there's a third state

Then I fear your Boolean logic.
 

Posts:957
Registered: 3/31/04
Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 3, 2004 6:25 AM (reply 223 of 635)



 
The opposite of true (1) should be false (-1)

but they made it 1 and 0

:-(

worship the minus sign !
 

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Registered: 11/3/97
Re: Kurt Goedel  
Jun 3, 2004 8:05 AM (reply 224 of 635)



 
And where were the organized religions then...

Some were resisting. Take Dietrich Bonhoeffer for
example.

"Dietrich Bonhoeffer" is an organized religion?

Must be some odd sort of sect.

Did they do anything to help stop them...

Yes.

How about something a little larger like Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, etc.

Exactly which ones of those made a wide scale official effort in any way that had a negative effect on Germany?
 
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