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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 11:08 AM (reply 15 of 32)



 
Is that really the link you meant to post?

Acually, yes. I've found and used a lot of good
stuff
(t)here in my short OO life.

Have you clicked that link?

Yes I have - every day almost for the past 8 months. Yes, it's to this forum. Yes, it was intentional. Yes, I find a lot of good information here. Yes, my use of "(t)here" should have been a tip off. YES, YES, YES!!!

 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 11:09 AM (reply 16 of 32)



 
I'm calm now.
 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 11:18 AM (reply 17 of 32)



 
I think you should have thrown in a "sheesh" for good measure - possibley a "jeez", it's a tough call...
 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 11:20 AM (reply 18 of 32)



 
I think you should have thrown in a "sheesh" for good
measure - possibley a "jeez", it's a tough call...

"Sheesh" almost made the cut, but I didn't want to come off as being too irritable. I think "jeepers" might have been a good candidate.
 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 11:22 AM (reply 19 of 32)



 
Well sheesh, I just thought it was weird that you posted a link from this topic to the same topic.
 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 11:24 AM (reply 20 of 32)



 
"Sheesh" almost made the cut, but I didn't want to
come off as being too irritable. I think "jeepers"
might have been a good candidate.

Hey, are there others using Jeepers in addition to myself? That's MY word!
 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 11:27 AM (reply 21 of 32)



 
Well sheesh, I just thought it was weird that you
posted a link from this topic to the same topic.

Was it really a link to this specific topic? My bad if it was. I thought that I gave general link to the main forum page. As warnerja would say ...
 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 11:29 AM (reply 22 of 32)



 

Yes, I find a lot of good information here.

I guess I'll use this opportunity to give a general "Thanks, and cheers!" to all of the forumites who have helped me, lo these many months.
 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 11:52 AM (reply 23 of 32)



 
I find that the best resource for Java is Google. Search for something like "java print jeditorpane" and it's bound to find a relevant article from one of several sites. These forums are full of repeats of the same questions, they don't cover any advanced topics, and their search feature is horrible. (Although of course you could use Google to search them). It's too bad that there's no centralized resource like MSDN for Java. MSDN is great even for non-Microsoft technologies - I've used it as a reference for (X)HTML, CSS, Javascript, the C++ STL, and OpenGL.
 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 12:18 PM (reply 24 of 32)



 
These forums are full of repeats of the
same questions,

That's for sure.

they don't cover any advanced topics,

Huh? Do you have an advanced topic in mind that hasn't been covered here?

and their search feature is horrible.

Yep.

(Although of
course you could use Google to search them).

Exactly.
 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 12:46 PM (reply 25 of 32)



 
I find that the best resource for Java is Google. Search for something like "java print jeditorpane" and
it's bound to find a relevant article from one of several sites.

I agree that Google is great, but the "go try Google before coming here" knee-jerk reply that's given here all too often isn't always warranted. Speaking for myself only, I sometimes know ahead of time that a Google search will give too many results, and not many opinions. Asking about implementing Singletons is a good example. Google "Java Singleton pattern" and you'll get over 25,000 hits, most of which will singularly give you their method of implementing Singletons. No discussions, no comparisons, no opinions. Sure, I can probably implement them based on the first hit, but I'll have no way of knowing if this is proper usage or not. If someone asks a question that seems too stupid or completely unresearched, then yes, "go Google" seems appropriate. Then again, not replying is always an option too.

These forums are full of repeats of the same questions,

I agree completely. To fix this would probably require an official forum moderators group who could purge dupes, but we know that this is not gonna happen.

they don't cover any advanced topics,

It's all advanced to me since I'm still kinda new to OO, but the term "advanced" is subjective I guess.

and their search feature is horrible.

I couldn't agree more.
 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 1:42 PM (reply 26 of 32)



 
I agree that Google is great, but the "go try Google
before coming here" knee-jerk reply that's given here
all too often isn't always warranted. Speaking for
myself only, I sometimes know ahead of time that a
Google search will give too many results, and not many
opinions. Asking about implementing Singletons is a
good example. Google "Java Singleton pattern" and
you'll get over 25,000 hits, most of which will
singularly give you their method of
implementing Singletons. No discussions, no
comparisons, no opinions.

In that case, if someone asks, "how do I implement Singleton" STFW is IMO a good response. If they ask, "I found this singleton code at such-and-such web site, is this really the best way to do it?" Then that will most likely prompt discussion, references to GoF, explanations of why it's done that way or better ways to do it. It's all in how the question is asked.
 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 1:52 PM (reply 27 of 32)



 

It's all in how the question is asked.

I suppose so.

By the way, wasn't "STFW" a Hollywood headline from last last year ("Shoplifing Trial For Wynona")?
 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 1:54 PM (reply 28 of 32)



 
Sure. :-)
 

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Re: is there any java library like MSDN  
Aug 3, 2004 2:00 PM (reply 29 of 32)



 
A couple of things, first off, yes Google is fantastic. It's my startup page on my browser for reasons that shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

That said, the search feature here isn't that bad really. If you're a bit thoughtful about what you put in for search criterion it will yield up what you're after.

I think it's too easy to blame our failings on a search engine, "That search engine didn't give me the results I wanted." Did we ever stop to consider that maybe it's not the arrow at fault but the archer? Yes, Google is superior, but that doesn't mean that this one doesn't work.

Advanced topics, I challenge you to actually find any Java related topic that hasn't been raised in these forums at least once. If you can find such a topic, then please raise it, the community needs you to do that. I think that too often in this day and age our thoughts are more about, "What can I get out of it rather than what can I put into it."

Just my thoughts on the subject, your milage may of course vary.
 
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